it's like nothing i've -- i've been incarcerated throughout this whole conspiracy that started years ago and it's been a roller coaster. i always tell my kids, i'm leaving, i'm going here, call at this point because i may be arrested on the way. i'll get out, i always do. >> let me stop you there for a second. >> has dad been arrested y et? . >> i want to get a little context here from your attorney. fill us in on other than elvis impersonating, what kind of activities were in your client's backgrounds that may have been triggered suspicions by investigators? >> well, the main thing, the first thing and what turned out to be the only thing that made them suspicious is when senator wicker's office, i believe his letter was first. and the letter was signed k.c. a

and i approve this message. so it was my understanding they went to senator wicker's staff and started narrowing down any constituents who might have the initials k.c. and at some point someone on his staff recognized k.c. as kevin and said, well, yeah, this is someone who communicates with the senator somewhat. so at that point, they looked at his facebook at his social media a little bit more. agent grant spent some time initially on the stand friday basically in my opinion he was kind of laying the ground work for the prosecutor that a lot of people thought that kevin was coo-coo, or he went great lengths to tell us that a staff member based out of tupelo, the staff member said he's nuts.

so it's almost as if they said, well, his initials are k.c., he frequently uses this quote on his social media, and he's nuts. so he must have done this. other than anything in his past, he has had a passion for different issues. but nothing in his past. multiple communications to multiple elected officials, none of which were violent or threatening or dangerous. so, you know, i don't know. i can't get in the mind of them at that time. i do want to mention something that kevin didn't mention on wednesday night when he was being interrogated. one thing he was told that quite frankly upset me a little bit. he was told by agent grant there was a young woman in the hospital at that very moment.

from her exposure to ricin and that they needed to know right that minute what was in the ricin so they could save her life. that was just untrue. i realize that law enforcement has great leeway, but that was untrue. and a little unnecessary in my opinion. >> and scary to think someone may die while you're being incarcerated for something you didn't do. >> yes. >> no, it's a harsh thing, no question. but as you do know, there is latitude there and very often investigators are dealing with people who may well have done terrible things and trying to use whatever leverage they can. >> sure. >> so you get word from the federal government that is basically your -- you and your word and your wits against theirs. how do you get into that kind of challenge? you were up against some significant odds here. >> yeah. i mean, it's -- i'm not going to tell you i don't get scared and it wasn't a little bit scary.

but i have been doing this a long time, almost two decades. and i've -- you know, i've been in nothing of national significance, but i have been up against our federal government on more than one occasion. it is a frightening thought that the resources they have compared to the resources i have, but to be just perfectly honest, i am such a strong and faithful believer in the bedrock of this country and the institution that, i mean, as imperfect as our justice system can be, i put my eye on that constitution and i stamp my feet and my red shoes or whatever shoes i'm wearing. and i -- you know, i just hold fast. and i just don't let anything scare me in that way. i feel like i have that on my side, i'm good. >> she's the lion king in the courtroom. i've been in and out of court over two dozen times in 13 years, and i've never seen anything like this. and she came in one day before

and -- i mean, i've had attorneys two, three years into litigation that walk in and go, continuance, continuance, continuance for seven or eight years and go, we've got to drop this. and there was never that with christy. she just took it, ran with it head on and i think she scared everyone in there to death. and they were just like -- she tripped everyone up under cross-examination. don't be bashful, just let it out, let it be known if you need the mega-representation, this is the person. your phone will probably be ringing for the next 40 years off the hook. it was just unbelievable. i've seen a lot. it was perry mason on crack is what it was. >> thank you. i appreciate that. >> that's a great description. that's how you want to be known, christy. let me ask you this, mr. curtis, given the intensity of the allegations and the allegations being focused at you. did you think you were not going

to get out of this situation no matter what you believed to be true? >> well, i told my family over the last couple of years and i always say they, i never say police, fbi, cia, but whenever speaking of all the research i've done in organ tissue and bone harvesting, which has ruffled feathers where there is a black market for bone tissue and body part marketing. i've sent letters saying, please pass my measure so people will stop dying, cancerous material will stop being placed into healthy people and they will get diseases by tainted tissue. so that's been my goal for years. so when i began trying to push that through congress, strange things started happening. i became a person of interest, if you will.

and this has restored my faith, actually, in our justice system. i had lost all faith. but i've been telling my kids for years, you know, i'm going to walk out this door, i've got to go here, you know, i love you all. god's in control. when it's my time to go -- they would say, dad, you've had death threats, are you scared? >> sure, if you're uncertain you're going to walk out of a door, there's cars running you off the road. your dog's having their throat sliced. >> mr. curtis. >> so many things are happening. it's very scary. >> all of this outside intrigue will kind of leave the outside just a second to focus on this specific situation here that's gotten national attention. the arrest very public, the embarrassment public, somewhat part of the process. given that, how did they explain to you that you were going to be released? and what did they say to you when they were releasing you at that time initially? what did they tell you? >> no one in the system told me

anything regarding being released. all i got on the inside was man, you're in trouble. man, you tried to kill the president. when i got to christy on the day it was dismissed, i walked up to a screen window and she put her hand up to it and when she did that i just knew it looked good and she said just hold on, we don't have all the information, there's been a turn of events and looks like we're going to get you out of here today and this will be dismissed. and that's when i just felt this lifted off my shoulders. the first moment after seven days sitting in a tiny cell looking out the bars i thought, oh, my gosh, i'm not going to prison for life. they haven't conjured up all this information from internet activity, and my activism work and said got to be the guy this is k.c. and i approve this message, has to be the one who done it. and that was the moment i found,

that was yesterday? >> what is today? tuesday, yes. >> how did you get -- >> how did you get word from the office? this was a really random turn of events. at first it was couched a little bit cautiously by them, right? the early word was there was bond. this was not just a free release. it wasn't over, right? so take me through the evolution of we're going to continue the hearing, he's going to be released but there is a bond. and then the conditions are now unset. he's just free. take me through. >> right. all right. yesterday morning when we returned for the continuation of the hearing, we went to judge's chambers, the u.s. attorney office, myself, my cocounsel met in judges chambers, and the government told us, again, we need time, but there's something that's really, really breaking right now.

and the question was what do we do? if we had gone back into the hearing and gone into the preliminary hearing, then i would have been allowed to ask the agent about whatever it was that was breaking, they would have had to tell me. and the fear was that might compromise the new information. we didn't think that was a good outcome. the second option was initially there was an indication, well, why don't we just agree to a bond and put your guy on electronic monitoring? and we said, well, why don't you just dismiss the charges? you know, if there's that much of information out there, you can't keep holding him. so we went back and forth on that. we're basically digging our heels in the ground wanting a dismissal, they were wanting an electronic monitoring. we pretty much got our way, it was just delayed a little bit.

so what we did was there has to be a bond in order for the united states marshals to release someone from custody, there has to be a bond. well, we didn't feel that mr. curtis nor his family should have to come up with money, which they don't have to try to scramble around and make a bond. and of course the judge agreed with that. so the bond at that point was unsecured, which just means he was released on his own recognizance. and with the idea being he would be released, everything would be under seal and we would go and get him, remove him from the jail and remove him basically from lafayette county before anyone knew what was going on. and the purpose of that was, again, the government had some concerns that if these other suspects and people who they now believe were involved. if they got wind of kevin's

release that, you know, they might go into destructive mode of evidence or things could happen. we agreed to that because we felt it was in kevin's best interest. and of course we were told everything would be dismissed before 5:00. we couldn't tell the press that yesterday. obviously we can now. >> just to be clear because the prosecutors haven't said anything. they haven't said, yep, we're looking at somebody else, that's why there's all the hazmat suits at the other house. they're not saying anything like that. they're not saying that curtis is totally out of the woods. i want to hear it from you. as far as you know, tdoes your client now have no point of interest with the u.s. prosecutors? that they no longer see him as connected to this? >> that is my understanding. i mean, like i said, the last conversation i have had with the prosecutor, their interest was in having kevin help them determine some things that have

happened in the past few weeks with regard specifically to his computer. i don't think i can say more than that. but their interest is not -- looking at kevin as a suspect. and i -- i trust, again, i trust chad lemar, when he says trust me, i trust him. >> okay. let me ask you this, mr. curtis. >> something out there about the signature and how to help the public know and educate them. >> go ahead, chris. >> please. >> okay. i was just going to mention the significance of using the type of calling card signature that i used for maybe 15 to 17 years, i purposely did that. and i want to tell this for the public to educate teenagers. because all my children have facebooks except for my 8-year-old. and i'm constantly telling them, you know, don't put where you're going because people watch that. that's how they knew the person

that did this knew specific information on me. you can't just scroll across any of my music or my websites or activism work and pick up on it like that. you have to zero in on it and stalk it in a way. and so i'm trying to say it's so important to watch what you type and put on the social networks because it can come back and bite you. you can be completely innocent, but you could be saying for a year it is what it is and then the president get a threat, i don't know whoever said it said four times it is what it is. and they come at your door and homeland security, your dog runs away, you'll never see your dog again. your home's destroyed, you're in jail. you don't know what's happening. it's very serious. i will never sit at a computer again. i'll check my stats with my music, with nashville, bmi, but i'll never get on there and put my thoughts politically or

socially. i won't even talk to my children online. if i have something to say to somebody, i'll call them on their phone or go to their house. but, you know, i don't want to get too paranoid about it. but it is significant. >> it is. >> mr. curtis, i understand, you know, you have good reason and maybe some just general reason to be paranoid, at least coming out of this situation. let's get to the urgency of it. somebody sent letters that investigators believe to have been laced with ricin. as far as you understand, mr. curtis, what's the best sense or both of you just answered me on this. what's the best sense of where investigators are about why this happened, who may have done it? we know they were searching a house. what's the information you've been given? >> as far as information, you know, they're notoriously tight lipped as they were about kevin until it was time to bring it to court. but there's some sources leaking out here and there.

as far as the search that was conducted yesterday and into the night. one thing that was said to me to someone that was connected to the investigation that really made me stop and think that people were looking at who would frame kevin. who would frame kevin and did this person hate kevin enough to frame him? but i think now there's also a different look that's being looked into is it's not so much who would do this to kevin because they hate him but who hates senator wicker and president obama so much they're willing to do it and kevin is just kind of an afterthought that truly their hatred is more with the elected officials than with kevin. and that made some sense to me because honestly, i was looking at it as someone hated kevin so much he's doing this to kevin. but i think now there may be

looking into no, they're doing it to senator wicker, president obama, kevin just happens to be the scapegoat for it and maybe, you know, that the true intent was really not to frame kevin but that was kind of an afterthought. but no, they're notoriously tight lipped. i've been trying to get information about the context and what's going on. not in small part because he's been on television saying some pretty pointed things toward me that has frightened my children a little bit. they accidentally saw it. so, you know, we're trying to get a hold on where the investigation is. but at this point, i still trust the agencies involved. i have no reason not to. because, again, i believe that when they realize that they have made a mistake, they made it right. as well as they could right then. there's still some making right to do. but, you know, they did agree to dismiss. >> but you do have a body guard.

i'll take care of you. >> one thing is for sure as far as you know, ms. mccoy, the case is dismissed at this present time and you have not been told about any desire to follow up? true? >> absolutely. the way the complaint works, it's dismissed, that wouldn't bar them from indicting him later. but i've not been given any idea, consideration, thought or anything that he's even under the investigation anymore. i believe it's over. almost seven days to the, you know, from when it started. >> obviously a very serious situation, investigators have to find out who sent those letters. if it's not your client, all the better for both of you. and so assuming you're out of this forever, mr. curtis, you go on with your life. it's a very traumatic situation. do you think it'll affect your impersonating ability? do you think you'll be able to go on for what you were known for most often by most people

for your elvis impersonating? >> there's no way it could affect in a negative my impersonating. and obviously i'm going to be able to wake up tomorrow and sound like different people, randy travis, elvis, buddy holly, any time there's a conspiracy of any sort, it can do a number of things. it can destroy you or it can thrust you into the limelight and make you successful. i've seen pieces of television shows where somebody was taken from their home and falsely arrested and something happened and no one knew who they were. they might have been a lawn mower repairman. and the next thing you know, they are in washington performing for the president. you know, so i mean this thing could flip and i could become the next best thing since sliced bread. and i could get a record deal, publish my book and take my kids to disneyland. >> well, we wish you well. >> from a positive standpoint.

>> we wish you well. and in the interest of your rehabilitation if you want to give me a little taste of what you got as an impersonator, i'm willing to let you do it before you go to break. what do you got? >> one of my favorite fellas in the world is randy travis, i like him as a person and i'll give you a little of that. ♪ on one hand i count the reasons i could stay with you ♪ ♪ and hold you close to me all night long ♪ ♪ so many lovers games i'd love to play with you ♪ ♪ on that hand there's no reason why it's wrong ♪ ♪ but on the other hand there's a golden band ♪ ♪ and it reminds me of someone who would not understand ♪

♪ on one hand -- >> thank you. ♪ i could stay >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much for that, christi mccoy, mr. curtis, good luck going forward. we're going to take a break from here. absolutely. take care. you know how to dance... with a deadline. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle... and go. you can even take a full-size or above, and still pay the mid-size price. this is awesome. [ male announcer ] yes, it is, business pro. yes, it is. go national. go like a pro. how old is the oldest person you've known? we gave people a sticker and had them show us. we learned a lot of us have known someone who's lived well into their 90s. and that's a great thing. but even though we're living longer,

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welcome back to boston, i'm chris cuomo, live with cnn's continuing coverage into the investigation of the boston terror attacks. the suspect's body remains unclaimed, still in a morgue five days after his death. police are telling the family they can have his body but the family's saying a boston area mosque is refusing to hold a funeral for him. there's a lot of conflicting information on that. we'll be following it. we've also been learning the suspects said they were heading to new york city after the bo

bombin bombings, but not for more attacks. but today is really about remembering one of their alleged victims at a memorial for m.i.t. campus police officer shawn collier. ♪ ♪ build me your boat that can carry two ♪ >> a life at m.i.t. >> the sun came out today for the memorial shining on all the people there to remember shawn collier, the vice president was there, gave a very moving tribute. he actually just came by here now to where the memorial is set up. and it was a very emotional day, obviously as people remembered this fallen officer who as the vice president said represents everything that boston strong is

about. now today, boylston street will be reopening here as boston gets on its feet. we're about to see the first pictures of the bombing site which was, of course, on boylston street after the workers spent the night cementing and scrubbing, removing the last traces of this act of terror. we want to begin our coverage with new details about what may have been the motivation for these brothers. a former family member suggests a guy named myisha may have influenced the suspects' thinking as he became more immersed in religion. we're digging into this so-called myisha for any clues about his changing views. this is what it's coming from, his brother-in-law. you hear what i'm saying, obviously. what do we know about this suggestion? >> family members have described this person named misha. first his uncle told us this was an armenian man. we contacted the

ex-brother-in-law of the suspects. he was married to one of the suspects' sisters. the brother-in-law spoke to wolf blitzer earlier today from kazakhstan. what he said was that he met this person named misha at one time, that tamerlan introduced him at one time. he did not know misha's first name. but he said he never, quote, witnessed him radicalizingtexas a&m -- >> i'm not sure if he taught him to be radical, but he surely did have influence and did teach him things that would make him go away from the people and go more into the religion and maybe that's possible he suggested to him some radical ideas.

>> no in that interview with wolf blitzer said that he didn't suspect that misha or tamerlan were planning any terrorist attacks. but he did say they did speak about islam being under attack in the outside. they had those leanings that was really embattled. we have tried to track this person down, chris, we have come up with a name that kind of, you know, when you put it all in a matrix, there is a name that comes up. we've tracked that person throughout the boston area. e-mail addresses, phone numbers and physical addresses. we have not found him yet. we're not saying his name, of course, because we have no idea he's that person. >> an abundance of caution there because you don't want to falsely implicate somebody. you have a couple of points of contact within the family giving you the same name. you're told he's a convert.

>> yes. >> so this is something that's a lead, if we have it, investigators have it. >> we assume they do. and we're getting slight indications maybe they're at least questioning the younger brother dzhokhar tsarnaev about it. but what the younger brother knows is going to be unclear. he may or may not have been brought into this until later on. we know that tamerlan tsarnaev had radical leanings as far back as 2009. that's a lot earlier than the younger brother may have been brought into any of this. >> and to be clear, obviously, brian in your reporting. this isn't about developing curiosities about the suspects as people. it's about figuring out how deep the roots the conspiracy may have gone. >> and who turned them to it if anyone. who turned them to do something like this who may have inspired at least the older brother. >> thank you very much. i'll be talking to you soon. and as brian mentioned. cnn's wolf blitzer spoke exclusive to a former brother-in-law of one of the suspects.

here is some more of the sound about what he had to say about the suspect. >> i think somebody did have influence on the other brother. and in his turn he had influence on the younger one. i don't think that anyone who is mentally normal would be wishing death to someone else. i just believe that people a are -- knowing tamerlan for a few years, i remember him as a good person, as a good friend. but he was searching for religion and i believe that someone helped him, directed him in a wrong direction. so i think it lies somewhere

nearby in america in boston. i believe there are people who if they didn't make him then at least they planted maybe the idea to him that he could do such a thing. i'm not saying it's not his fault. i'm saying that i hope that he wasn't, you know, the only one. i hope that there are other people who he can still find and we can still question and we can still maybe stop if they're planning something else. in regards dzhokhar, he's not innocent, but he was under the influence of an older brother and he was not realizing what he was doing. he's too young, he's just 19 now. and for a guy, that's just the starting point in life.

and probably his life is ruined now. i still hope he will seek forgiveness from those he hurt. and i hope that people will find strength and maybe forgive him. >> joined by wolf now. this seems to be the most likely scenario, right? the younger brother, obviously strong relationship with the older brother, that's how the influence would work, right? >> yeah, the younger brother influenced if not supposedly brainwashed by the older brother. and now this misha, this mysterious supposed armenian who converted to islam, not really having a great historic relationship, but he was the one influenced as a convert islam, the older brother to go ahead and become a radical muslim fanatic, if you will. so there's a lot of mystery here. there's a lot we don't know even as new incremental details come into play. >> it's always important to get

that picture together of who else may be involved. >> and this mysterious misha, if there is someone like that. if, in fact, this exists, was he acting alone? or was he part of some group, if you will. and those are questions the fbi will have to investigate. >> you had a special opportunity, wolf. tell us about it. >> it was very moving. i came literally back here to live shot location from over there. and if you walk one block. that's boylston street. for the last several days, you and i have been here. it's been blocked off. it was a crime scene. you can't get anywhere close to that and now they've opened it up and there's traffic and people walking. it seems almost everyone in this area wants to walk up and down boylston street to show their solidarity. boston strong, just to show things getting back to normal. although it's not. i walked from the first bomb site to the second bomb site, it took me maybe two or three

minutes to walk that right from the finish line of boston. and just to get a feeling of how far away they were. and the streets are crowded. but almost everyone i spoke to they wanted to be there but they're still a little nervous. they're wondering, is this a dangerous area? should they be looking for backpacks on the street? should they be looking for packages? so there is this sense maybe it's coming back to normal but it'll never be normal. that's the impression i got to folks walking up and down boylston street on this important day. >> it'll be normal, but never be the same. >> right. i've seen that in other parts of the world where there have been terrorist incidents and whether a pizza place in jerusalem or some place else. they know it happened, they try to get on as quickly as possible with life, but at the same time, it never really becomes the same as it used to be. >> wolf, thank you very much, appreciate it. >> it'll be very meaningful for

you to see it, feel it, talk to people there. speak to some of the shop owners, restaurant owners, the waitresses and people there because they've been going through hell over these past nine days. >> you're totally right. totally right. and when we come back, we're going to go to break, but there are new concerns at america's intelligence agencies about sharing information. what could they have known? what lists do they have? who spoke to whom or didn't? we're going to speak live with the former fbi operative who has his own opinions about how to track terrorists. the latest when we come back. . copd includes emphysema and chronic bronchitis. spiriva is a once-daily inhaled copd maintenance treatment that helps open my obstructed airways for a full 24 hours. you know, spiriva helps me breathe easier. spiriva handihaler tiotropium bromide inhalation powder does not replace fast-acting inhalers for sudden symptoms. tell your doctor if you have kidney problems,

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welcome back to boston. some say the case is also revealing flaws, gaps in communication and one agency not knowing what another is doing, a criticism heard right after 9/11. the anticipation was that we would get past these types of snafus, but maybe not. this time the complaint comes from the fact that the fbi interviewed one of these suspects in 2011 after the russian government made a request. now the boston globe reports

russia made -- quoting the paper now -- multiple requests about the suspect. and a congressman told cnn he was aware of the same thing. take a listen. >> we are hearing that, and we are also hearing that the department of homeland security had different information than the fbi. they were not apparently sharing that information, so the fbi according to what we now understand did not know that he was in russia for six months and did not follow up upon his return. >> yesterday, homeland security secretary janet napolitano told senators her department received an alert when the suspect left the united states to travel to russia. but there was no alert when the bombing suspect returned to the u.s. and his secretary explained why. >> i think the fact there, senator, is that the fbi text

alert on him at that point was more than a year old and had expired. >> we're going to go now to two former members of the u.s. intelligence agencies. bob and ty, a former special agent for the fbi. ty, i'll start with you. the fbi said it found no terrorist activity after interviewing the suspect and asked russia for more info, none came. so the fbi then closed the case. now, what do you think of that? is that the right protocol you ask russia if they have more information even if you can have your own assets on the ground. if so, is that right? >> well, definitely. you have to understand that the fbi receives thousands of allegations and reports from individuals from foreign intelligence agencies, with allegations. now, if the report was given that this individual conducted the act of crime, a crime that

killed several people, it was violent, that's one thing. but if it's just an intelligence report or be on the lookout for or suspicion or allegation, then those same rights, the same rights that protects every american citizen and makes this the greatest nation to live are the same rights that protects anyone within our borders. if that person has not committed a crime, if there isn't any significant financial activity. if there aren't reports of suspicious behavior or they're not meeting with other individuals that are on our watch list, that person has the same rights as anybody else. now, we'll continue to watch them put them on the watch lists. other than that, once we see there are no issues and we watch them for a period of time, there's other cases. there's other reports, complaints of thousands of other individuals. each case is taken seriously.

>> let me get in there with bob now. we understand that the suspect was on -- in a data base not on a watch list, is that relevant? and how do you see this? is this a situation where you say, wow, we could've gotten lucky and known about this man in advance or a situation where we should've known more because of a failed coordination? >> this thing was preventable. if the fbi was not informed in a timely manner that he had gone and stayed six months, there is no reason that the fbi should reopen this case. like wise, if there were multiple requests about tamerlan coming from russians and the fbi didn't know about it, it wasn't the fbi that dropped the ball. if you take all the information we had about this man, the fact that he was in new hampshire buying gun powder, the fact that he was going away for six months and leaving his wife and child

and going to an area where there is training where -- we can't hold the fbi responsible. as i understand, this needs to be checked out, there was an order from the order from the department of justice not to profile people like him just on general purpose. you're absolutely right. they have to commit a crime for the fbi to open up a full field investigation. there was no crime so they didn't do it. it was the system that failed us in this situation. and we were promised iff ed for last ten years that the algorithms and data would take care of another 9/11. and i think this administration is embarrassed and the system is embarrassed that these promises weren't met. and i think it comes down to that. and that's why you're seeing these press releases almost coming out in the press saying this was entirely home grown. there's no connections. nothing that could have been

done about it. i think in all fairness if an fbi agent has given all the information, he would've reopened this case. >> what do you think of that, ty? is there just going to be a certain degree of lapse because of the volume and randomness? can we do better? should we be learning from this situation? >> we can do better. but the problem is, the same rights we have are the same rights that anyone visiting or residing in the u.s. illegally or legally. i just came from a conference yesterday with the african-american church gun coalition. it's the same issues. felons, people with mental illnesses can buy weapons. there's violent crimes being committed all over this nation and thousands of people are dying. then we have this more complex issue dealing with foreigners that come into the united states. and you're right, you can't just

profile and you can't spend all of your time just watching someone for years and years and there's no proof that they're doing anything. now, if there's no further complaints or nothing substantial to say that this individual is an active or legitimate threat, then those agents have to move on to the next case. and remember, each agent is still carrying a basic case load. and it's a finite number of agents on the squads. the entire fbi force is not working international terrorism. there's other things going on. the system, you're right, there's lapse in the system and it has to get better. >> right. bob, did you want to get in there? >> yeah, look, we're being overwhelmed by asylum seekers. they're showing up on the border in new mexico and canada. they've lost their passports, want to come into the country. and as i understand from

homeland security, a lot of these people, they believe, or could have al qaeda affiliations and they're looking for documentation. you can't go to the fbi and say, hey, we've got 100,000 people coming across the borders, we don't know who they are, but please follow them and find out who is dangerous and who isn't. the system is broken. we've got to come to that reality. >> that's right. and other issues that we've dealt with for the last 15 years that the public has an issue with. look at the students. anyone that comes into the u.s. on an f1 visa and this goes back to the world trade center attacks in 2001, most are here on an f1 visa. there are laws where the law enforcement can't go into campuses and follow these students. if a parent can't check on a student, check their grades or classes or know if they're coming or going, that's a problem. the fbi can't either nor law enforcement. so, you know, the system has to

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uncle of the suspects. you may remember him as the uncle we heard from first on friday when he came outside of his house and spoke to the reporters gathered there. he gave a long, emotional, sometimes angry remarks about having heard -- learned of this bombing and learned that his brother's children were involved. now, at the time he told us he told the reporters gathered there he hadn't spoken to his brother, the father of tamerlan and dzhokhar. he hadn't spoken to him in three months. well, he lives just outside of washington, d.c. in a maryland suburb, and he told me he heard from his brother three days ago. it was a brief conversation. he seemed frustrated and a bit agitated in recalling it to me. he said his brother had been asking about a lawyer. we don't know what came out of it in the end, but he told me he was frustrated hearing this from his brother. he expected his brother to be on a plane traveling to the u.s. and not on the phone with him.

we know now he has spoken to his brother. this is a man he had kind words for on friday and saturday and and speaking to journalists. the father of these two suspects spent all the time he was in the u.s. working very hard, long hours fixing cars trying to provide for this family. and he also made the point he does not believe that his brother had a lot of influence over these two children. now we know he has spoken to his brother and his brother was interested in hearing about a lawyer. chris? >> thank you for that, athena, appreciate it. ashleigh banfield has new information on the suspect's condition in the hospital. we'll be back after this. we've reduced taxes and lowered costs to save businesses more than two billion dollars to grow jobs, cut middle class income taxes to the lowest rate in sixty years, and we're creating tax free zones for business startups. the new new york is working

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i'm chris cuomo live here in boston with brand new details on the suspect's condition in the hospital. ashleigh banfield in boston. what are you hearing? >> so, chris, i've spoken with three people who work here, and i've been able to find out some information about this situation that this suspect dzhokhar tsarnaev is in right now. the way they have organized this very massive complex is they have shut down an entire icu on an upper floor. i'm not going to name which floor it is. i'm not going to name it out of security concerns, they have shut down an entire icu to house this person. the security presence is significant to say the very least.

there is at least about half dozen federal marshals on location as well as some of the security forces themselves. i can also tell you this. that one of the people who works here who has had a direct view and has been able to experience in the same room what this suspect is like says he doesn't look good. he cannot talk. he said that based on some of the conversations that he's hearing in these very, very secure areas that it is -- he believes he may be writing, but he wasn't able to confirm he's seen him writing anything down. i asked him about those interviews too. i said are those interviews continuing now that within the last 48 hours dzhokhar tsarnaev has obtained counsel. there have been a number of people in and out of his room doing interviews but he's not sure if those are continuing now. but he did say this, we cannot wait until he's gone.

>> all right, ashleigh, thank you very much for the latest on that. and i'm going to thank all of you for joining me this afternoon. after the break, continuing coverage live from boston.

welcome back to continuing coverage. good to see you, i'm brooke baldwin live here in boston for cnn's special coverage of the investigation into the boston terror attack. several developments today i want to tell you about. first of all, cnn has new

information at this hour as far as what kind of life this older brother was leading before last monday's bombings. what we know right now is right up until last year, tamerlan tsarnaev was receiving taxpayer funded state welfare all the while his wife was reportedly working up to 60 hours a week. also today, outrage is growing among families of those wounded here in boston now demanding that a terror suspect be moved from the same hospital where his alleged victims are recovering. they want him out of there. we are also learning today what the brothers may have been planning to do after the boston bombings. >> they may have been intent oncoming to new york, but not to continue what they were doing. the information that we received said something about a party or having a party. >> but today is really about this man, remembering one of

these alleged victims here at a memorial for m.i.t. campus police officer sean collier. such a touching ceremony as we are all watching here on cnn. police say officer collier was assassinated in cold blood, shot by one of the bombers while he was sitting in his patrol car. also today, boylston street, a block from where we are here, the site of the bombing reopened after workers spent the night cementing and scrubbing and removing the last traces of the act of terror. just moments ago dr. jill biden visited the memorial site. i spent my whole morning there, it's quite touching. but today we have been getting exclusive insight on what motivated these boston bombing

suspects from those who know them best. members of their own family. wolf blitzer talked exclusively to one man, this is a former brother-in-law of these two suspects. he was married at one point in time to a sister of these two men implicated in the bombings here in boston. and he talked to wolf about the man who some say influenced. other words people are using, brainwashed the younger brother here. a man simply known as misha. >> i met misha, tamerlan introduced me to him. it seemed to me misha had influence on tamerlan. he did have influence and did teach him things that would make tamerlan, you know, go away from the people and go more into the religion. and maybe, maybe that's possible that he suggested to him some radical ideas. but i wouldn't say that -- i

mean i didn't witness him making them radicals. or i didn't witness him say things. i just know that tamerlan told me -- because misha was, you know, teaching him that it's not good in islam to do those things. i didn't suspect either him or tamerlan being connected to terror groups or having terrorist ideas. but i know that they had a lot of conversations about just, you know, islam and how islam is being attacked from the outside, you know, from the western countries and how islam is under pressure. but i never heard them speak of doing -- having terrorist attack

ideas. >> so that was his former brother-in-law talking to wolf earlier this morning. a lot of questions about this person misha and his possible influence on tamerlan and his possible influence on his younger brother dzhokhar. a former brother-in-law says tamerlan and misha talked a lot about pressures from islam for western countries. and this is the angle you've been digging on today. who is misha? does misha exist? >> well, two very good questions, brooke. does he exist? we believe he does exist because we've got the hard indication from the brother-in-law that he met him. he was introduced to him by tamerlan tsarnaev maybe a couple of years back that he witnessed, you know, kind of how he was speaking to him. also, we have to add to this, the uncle of the two suspects has described him as an armenian, a recent convert to

islam. most armenians are christian. we have this description of this person coming together. we have taken all the descriptions, cross referenced them on the internet with nexus and social media with the name misha and i have to tell you, brooke, there is a name that pops up. >> oh, yeah? >> yes. and we now know it may be a common name shared possibly by two people. but we're not reporting that name. we have searched for that person all over the boston area today. we have searched e-mails, e-mailed the person, called and also -- i've got to about four or five addresses today matching it. >> so far nothing? >> we cannot find him. we're not reporting the name. but there is a common name that comes up and also, i need to tell you that i've asked officials a the the mosque that the two brothers attended. i asked them today and yesterday, does anybody fitting this description -- is anybody fitting this description a member of your congregation? >> what have they said? >> have you heard of him? >> nothing. we have not heard of him, we

don't know anybody even like him. we don't know a misha. they did tell us they're looking for him too. >> i'm sure they are. >> there's a lot of interest in this person. what we don't know -- >> could be persons. >> we think there's a common name that the person has that maybe two people have. >> what about this? i know you've been doing a lot with this mosque, specifically in cambridge and being around town. one of the questions that's topical right now, what are they going to do with the body of the older suspect because it's been floated per the family per reporting that he could be buried here in boston. and the responses i've heard from bostonians or words, i can't use on television. what do you know about that? >> we've asked people at the mosque this, as well. the mosque in cambridge. first of all, i've asked them, have you been contacted by the family? they're checking the backlog of e-mails and phone messages. to their knowledge at this point they've not been contacted by the family. but i said if they do, will you do it? and they said, yes, they will.

they say it's our obligation to do it. with don't have any excommunication in the muslim faith. they have to do it. but they did say this, it'll probably be a layperson doing it because the top emans don't want to do it. >> huge step forward today in boston's effort to return to normal. and really normal a loose, loose word. catharsis, it's a tough day here, as well. boylston street, you're looking at pictures. this has been cordoned off. it's been a crime scene. it's open after devastation just down the way nine days ago. workers, i walked it myself. you could see workers out there relaying concrete. they're fixing some of the shattered glass in some of the store windows and the restaurants that were just bombed out because of those two explosions. preparing to reopen. boston strong, that's in that

marathon sports store where just so happens they sell running shoes here. for the first time since people have been in boston, they're leaving really these amazingly touching messages. there's this makeshift memorial of the victims of last week's bomb blast just over my shoulder. and that is where deborah feyerick. it's touching reading the notes. >> reporter: it really is. and when i first got there. it was a little bit overwhelming. it was very emotional to see all the tributes people left behind. where we are, brooke, is we are at the scene of the first blast. just by the finish line. and you can see people have left flowers, somebody left their medal from the boston marathon, a t-shirt that says life is nuts. the overriding message is people are saying we will not forget, you will be remembered, we will be together with you.

over here, you can see sort of patches that have been replaced. -- to search for evidence. that is to believed to be the exact location where the bomb was placed. you can see over here, some of the storms that were here. the one, brooke, that you mentioned. again, evidence of all the forensic teams that were here. and i want to speak to david. you are the owner of sugary heaven. and you saw -- you've seen everything that happened. and a lot of people ran into your store just behind to get help. describe what you saw. >> well, basically after the smoke, you know, encompassed the whole area, my gm pushed all the staff and customers out of the store about 40 or 50 customers at a time. then a woman full of blood came into the store, passed out on the floor and people actually came in and helped her. and then at that point, you know, it just pretty much mayhem

around. >> reporter: here you are right outside where the first blast took place. how is it going to be for you to sort of get back to business? and every time you walk out that door, you're going to see where tat bomb went off. >> it's true. well, first of all, we're hoping to open tomorrow. it's been a pretty tough week for our employees. a tough week for our, you know, our merchandise, we used to have our chocolate melted, a lot of things to do before we get open tomorrow. we hope this will be something we can remember and next year the marathon will be an exciting moment for everybody. and we'll see what happens. i think that boston is a tough city and we'll get rejuvenated and ready to go starting this week. >> reporter: your employees, obviously some of them witnessed it directly. how are they doing emotionally? >> most of them doing okay. some employees, i'm not sure they will come back to work, we don't know. but right now, you know, i have about seven employees in the

store right now. we're restocking. another three come in tonight. and hopefully they feel comfortable enough. you don't know what's going to happen. once people come in the store and people remember what happens, you know, we don't know. but the mayor's office came in this morning and they'll brought a woman who specializes in talking to people with whatever anxieties they have in this whole event. she can talk to them, maybe get them help outside of our realm. >> reporter: the city is doing outreach is what you're saying? >> yes. >> reporter: thank you very much. did you find out what happened to that woman? >> we haven't been able to get in touch with her. >> reporter: thank you so much. one of the business owners that's figuring out a way to get things back on track. brooke, we can tell you, you see all these people and they are -- there's a fascination just coming to see sort of where everything happened. and it's hard to know exactly why people come, but the need to leave something. we saw jill biden at a memorial

just down that way. she came probably within the last hour and left a pair of sneakers that on the sneakers said boston strong, love jill biden. she was there. and when you do see it, you are -- it's emotional. very, very emotional, brooke. >> having been here with you and everyone else for a week and a half, walking around where you're standing, it's tough. you use the word fascination. it seems a lot of people -- she said it almost didn't seem real. you know, like they watched it and watched all of us here in boston covering this horrendous event that happened nine days ago. and deb, since i have you this is live television, tell me if there are any scribblings, any messages there on the memorials that you and bob were showing. and if so, i'd love to hear you

read some of them live on air. >> reporter: yeah, definitely. and this one's really much smaller than the one over at the square. this one said boston friends, we're praying. love you. -- left a drawing. again, numbers from the marathon. and that's -- you wonder why they give up that medal, why they want to sort of -- where all of this -- >> all right. we're going to pull away from deb. i'm sorry, i'm going to pull away from you. looks like our shot's going out. but i promise, we're going to come back to deborah. it's important for us to read the messages that have been, you know, scribbled from people. i saw kids writing messages, messages in different languages from all around the world just to pay their respects as boston continues to heal. we'll take you back to the memorial site. but coming up next, an interview you don't want to miss. american investigators traveled to russia to talk to the

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and you'll say...my money. my choice. my meineke. welcome back, live here in boston. as the evidence mounts against their sons, the parents of the suspected boston bombers stand firm insisting they were framed. i want you to listen to the mother here of these two suspects. this was her on the phone. >> my sons were innocent! and i loved them. and i want the whole world to hear about it. i love them and i will love them! and i want to go to -- i mean i want to join them. if they're going to kill me today, i will be happy! happy, okay? >> okay. >> and i will say -- >> they were being killed just

because they were muslim. nothing else. >> today, u.s. investigators questioned her and the suspect's father for hours in the area of russia. in fact, one uncle tells cnn that his father asked him several days ago about getting a lawyer. it is not clear if an attorney was present during the questioning today. but i want to bring in the author of "the interrogator." welcome. obviously you are not behind closed doors here, but you know this. you know how this kind of thing works. walk me through exactly first what these investigators are looking for. what kinds of information is it that they're trying to get out of this mother and father? >> well, the mother and father. the first thing one asks normally in a meeting or an interrogation. this is not an interrogation with the parents. you always ask if someone has knowledge of a plan or the intent of someone or some

parties to commit violence against american lives. the thing you want to know is who the son saw, what he was thinking at the time. you want to understand his mind set and start to build a tree of associations. people he knew, people who influenced him and follow up with those people. >> the second question then would be how do you know what they say you can trust and what it is they can't? at the same time, sort of walking this fine line because here you have this mother and father despite any kind of lack of sympathy people here in boston would have for these parents potentially. they just, you know, lost one son, another son charged with what could be, you know, death penalty eligible crime. how do you handle that? >> well, clearly the parents are understandably overwrought. and you always pay attention to what anybody says and trust nothing that anyone says either until you can verify it. you take any person's comments

and then you try to run them down. so if they say that the son met with so and so and such and such at such and such a time, you follow up and try to verify. nothing stated in isolation should be taken as truth. but as information that you try to pursue. with the mother, we heard her clearly loving her sons and in defense of them. and that's all fine. but it's actually meaningless thing in the context of what the investigators are interested in which will be facts that they can pursue. >> final question to you. we understand the questioning lasted for hours and yesterday, apparently, at some point this father became sick. can you read anything into that? >> i don't think so. i know what all of us know from the media, there were reports he was gravely ill in some undefined way. it's a stressful thing to talk to an american official. it's extremely stressful to lose

your children under any circumstance, particularly when they are the objects of national revulsion. and it appears to be terrorists. so one can understand feeling badly in any circumstance like that. >> thank you so much. professional who knows how these kinds of interrogations can go. thank you so much. i appreciate it. >> my pleasure. coming up, he was arrested, accused of trying to send a poisonous letter to the president and other officials then abruptly this guy was set free. now he's talking about his ordeal exclusively with cnn, and the interview got bizarre. >> they intensely interrogated me for hours and it was nerve wracking, i can't even express my inside nerves were going to come out of my ears. we learned a lot of us have known someone who's lived well into their 90s. and that's a great thing. but even though we're living longer, one thing that hasn't changed: the official retirement age.

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let me pause from what's happening here in boston today and tell you about this. the fbi, they're back on the hunt for whoever mailed poisonous letters here to president obama, to a u.s. senator and a judge. so they have just searched this home and a former studio of a martial arts instructor in tupelo, mississippi. we're going to go live to tupelo for more on that in a moment. but first, we have new information from this elvis impersonator who had been arrested and charged with sending those ricin-laced letters. he was all of a sudden set free

yesterday. yep. no longer a suspect, charges dropped. his name is kevin curtis. and i want you to watch what he told chris cuomo in his exclusive interview last hour. >> when they came to me and i was arrested, it came super fast like a scene out of a movie. they didn't explain anything. they just kept saying you know what you've done. and don't move, don't resist and i mean, i just had to set my coat down. they allowed me to do that. you're talking about homeland security, secret service, fbi, so many vehicles in my neighborhood. i've never seen anything like it. i was in a state of shock, the best way to explain it. and i was trying to catch my breath and how am i going to get over my ex-wife and kids are expecting me for dinner. i've got to take my son to church. they're like no, no, you're not going to church, you're going down to the federal building.

now, if we go in that house, are we going to find anything connected to ricin? and i go, well, i said i don't eat rice and i don't have any rice in the house. and they go, no, you know what we mean, ricin, a deadly chemical -- and i said no, here's my key, you go in there and look all you want. you won't find anything in there but a goldfish and music equipment and awards and things and a couch. and he's like, yeah, whatever, turn around, put your hands on your car. they took my keys and wallet, and my phone. i haven't been able to call anyone. they entered my house and started taping it off and interrogating all of my neighbors. and i'd just begun to meet over the last couple of weeks my neighbors and get to know them. they were probably in a state of shock. the homeland security officer, the capital police lady from washington and a gentleman from the fbi -- do i mention any names?

i think it was officer grant, agent grant, very respectful. there was only one individual in that room that was agitated with me. and he was shaking and very nervous. i think he knew, you know, we don't have enough on this guy. guys, i don't want to compromise my job. i've got a job to do. i think he had been in it long enough over the years he felt some form of uncertainty because i'm an impersonator. i've impersonated picking up on shakiness and the nervousness and the friction in his voice and how hep can't look me in the eye. and he wanted me to sign papers to release records from my whole life and mental records to him. and i said, sir, my ex-wife is in criminal justice, she wants to be a lawyer. and she was telling me, don't sign anything if you're ever in a situation unless your lawyer is there. and i said can i have an

attorney present? and said absolutely not. well, then i'm not signing them. and then it became a good guy, bad guy. officer grant, he was a good guy, and this guy is a bad guy. and the lady in the back, wonderful. she was so polite from washington. and they treated me like gold, but they intensely interrogated me for hours. and it was nerve wracking, i can't even express my inside nerves were going to come out of my ears. >> so that was just about 3 1/2 minute snippet of 25-minute interview that chris cuomo conducted. at the very end, kevin curtis started to sing, impersonated randy travis singing, go to cnn.com, see the whole thing on our website. i want to break this out here and go to two people. we have legal analyst sunny hostin and joins me on whether this guy is completely out of the woods and if even has

grounds to sue. but first to you, mike brooks. my first question is, obviously if he is not the guy, there is someone out there that police and federal investigators are looking for who sent these ricin laced letters to the president, to senator wicker, to a judge. what do we know about that search underway? >> we don't know much right now, brooke. but my question is, what probable cause did they have to originally arrest him? you know, so they had to have something. was this guy -- had he written letters to the senator, to the judge, to the president before. it was something that led law enforcement to mr. curtis. if they basically let him go out of federal custody and dropped the charges against him and, you know, i'm wondering if maybe they were able to get some evidence from this envelope, fingerprint evidence, dna, something like that would lead them to someone else. or was his identity just taken by this person, you know, is it

someone he knew? currently knows? someone he had a problem with before? that remains to be seen. >> yeah, and we don't know. >> we don't. >> but my other question, i suppose would be here, you know, as we thought and perhaps these department of homeland security agents thought this was the guy, how often is it that, you know, folks at this high a level get the wrong guy? >> not that often. not that often. you heard what he said, there was someone from the fbi and an officer from the u.s. capital police where this all originally started right there in the senate mail room. so they were all in mississippi interviewing this guy, you know, but i want to know, brooke, and this hasn't come out yet, what exactly information led them to mr. curtis. there was something that said this -- and this is approved by k.c., and that's his middle name and last name initials, but was it someone who stole his identity? that's the question. >> sunny hostin to you, here he

is, he talks about being locked up for seven days, doesn't know if he's going to see his kids again. does he have grounds to sue here? >> you know, i think for the most part when listening to what he had to say and from mike's point, it seems like things were done the appropriate way. if they have probable cause and they followed the proper procedure and interrogated him. this is a matter of national security. and so i expect they were doing their jobs appropriately. so does he have, you know, recourse against the fbi and homeland security? and that sort of thing, i don't think so. but what he could have, perhaps, is recourse against someone if it is determined that someone framed him. if it is determined that this was some sort of scheme. if he was the scapegoat. i think there's no question that is something his attorney would look at the problem there if that person is ever found.

is that person judgment proof? you can't get blood from a stone. i don't know at the end of the day he'll have any recovery. but i don't think so. >> okay. okay. sunny hostin, thank you so much. and mike brooks, thanks to you, as well. now just in here at cnn, the medical examiner's office here in the state of massachusetts announcing there is no cause of death yet. i repeat, no cause of death yet for this older suspect in last monday's marathon bombings. that body remains in custody of the medical examiner. and so far, no one has claimed the body of tamerlan tsarnaev. coming up next, did the fbi miss warning signs about this older suspect? sources tell cnn that russia warned the bureau about tamerlan and his alleged ties. so did the countries work closely enough to prevent this kind of attack? we're asking christiane amanpour about that next.

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a delegation from the u.s. embassy in moscow has arrived in the remote region because of the investigation. this is part of the investigation into the boston marathon bombings. now, so far, the russian government is cooperating with the fbi. russia i should mention was also cooperating with the fbi earlier. according to a federal law enforcement source, russia contacted the fbi at least once to warn them about tamerlan tsarnaev and his alleged terrorist ties. the fbi said they found no suspicions of terrorist ties but some say the fbi shouldn't be so quick to dismiss warnings from russia. >> russian intelligence before a lot, in fact, and they don't come to the cia or the fbi with

a name and describing somebody as a radical unless they have something concrete. there's just a long history of this. they don't simply turn in their citizens to us saying, look at them. they had some suspicions, some reason to look at this. and you have to keep in mind that russia is our only, you know, optic on it. so when the russians say something, you pay attention. there is no other alternative. >> christiane amanpour joins me now. and christiane, he was with the cia for years and years, what do you make of what bob baer said, there would have been a reason for russia to go to the fbi. >> we've been reporting since, you know, this all became clear. but both the fbi and the russians are busy kind of

blaming each other for having let this trip -- this trail perhaps go cold. but what's clear is what bob baer said, and that is the russians do know much more than the united states about whatever kind of radicalization is going on. and president putin has said -- for giving asylum, it will come back to bite you. you can imagine he's kind of saying, i told you so. but beyond that, i think we need to before jumping to any conclusions because there are no conclusions as to whether these boys were at all radicalized over there. we need to say that many of the dagestani, the leaders have said, this has nothing to do with us. we have nothing to do with them. most particularly, we are not at war with the united states. yes, we have our grievances and our attacks against russia, but we're not at war with the united states. and having said that, there is increased anti-russian

radicalization with a strong islamic flavor to it. there are islamist radical jihadi extremist groups operating there, but mostly against russia, not the united states in terms of the u.s. homeland. >> so, christiane, you just talked to a chechnyan leader, what did he or she tell you? >> well, it was the leader of the population and government in london. and i interviewed him yesterday. and he's fairly well known to the u.s. administration. and he basically said that, you know, our great regret is the suspects of this crime are ethnic chechnyans, it's true. but he insisted they have nothing against the united states it's about russia, but he feared, now, that the russians would really target them going forward. but he admits, too, as i reported, there is an increasingly radicalized movement and a lot of that has

to do with the cycles of war going on as chechnya had a national freedom independence struggle in the early '90s that took on a more religious jihad flavor in response to the russians invading chechnya and having this war. it's a very complex, dense situation out there. up until now, there's been no attack against the u.s. by these people. although, there are reports joining various al qaeda forces in the various wars going on in the middle east. >> the question is, did any of that radicalization influence this perhaps elder sibling? thank you so much. >> so far the answer is we don't know and we don't think so. >> i've just said -- >> this is really important because you have to know what happened and where these kids were radicalized. at least the older one if it

turns out he was, in fact, the ring leader. and much of the reporting that's being done up until now suggests it's been done here in the united states. but of course they want to know exactly what he did and who he met with in his last trip to russia and dagestan. >> you got it. christiane amanpour, thank you so much for your perspective and the knowledge of the region here in boston. more than a dozen runners lost an arm or leg in last monday's marathon bombers. and this dancer was one of them. but guess what? she has vowed to dance again. others are incredibly resilient, even using laughter to battle through the pain. he's the first amputee ever to complete a marathon and he competed last monday. we'll talk to him about the physical, the emotional and financial impact of losing a limb.

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like, hey, i don't have shins anymore. i can do this. >> she is recovering alongside her daughter sidney at boston medical. so many stories here in boston. at least 13 victims lost limbs in the explosions and they face a long recovery learning how to use prosthetic devices, getting their homes changed around. he lost his leg because of a car accident a year ago and this past boston marathon was number 47 for this guy. he's the first amputee to complete a marathon. the first one back in 1976. he completed the race in a hand-cranked wheelchair. you see him rolling around and finished before the horrific explosions around the finish line here on boylston street. and he was leading a group of military veterans who lost their legs to ieds. he joins me from new york.

and congratulations to you for finishing your 47th marathon. we talk about resilience here in boston. and you are living and breathing proof of that. have you had a chance to talk to any of the folks here in hospitals here in boston to sort of try to help them move forward without legs? >> i have not yet, but i anticipate meeting a number of them. and i look forward to some of them joining us and doing the boston marathon in 2014. probably using a hand-cranked wheelchair as i do. >> dick, tell me, because we see the video of you with the hand crank and it's wonderful to see. but i can't imagine, i was talking to an afghan veteran soldier yesterday and he told me, you know, he battled a lot of depression after losing his leg in a blast. describe the difficulties for me and what some of these folks are going to have to deal with.

>> well, there's different issues. one issue is depression, the other issue is that there is a lot of pain. and it's not only losing the leg, but there are also other parts of the body that can be affected. and you go through a process of winning one little battle and having a second little battle and taking over and needing extra surgical procedure to make the residual limb a little bit better for an artificial leg. and it's a long process. but it's one that is -- can be done. and all of a sudden you're out of the hospital, you're doing rehabilitation, you're walking and i dee ideally you're running. >> we'll have to see how that's dispersed to some of these

folks, but these prosthetics they're not cheap. how do you tell someone how to afford that and multiple legs, as well? >> well, i think that's not a big issue. most of the artificial limbs will be covered by insurance. if they're not covered by insurance, there are companies that will contribute them. we at achilles have had literally dozens of legs contributed for amputees who could not afford them. the big issue is not the cost but getting back and mainstreaming. >> will you be back here next year, dick? >> i will be back there. this year we had 28 athletes competing. most of them were amputees, and we're looking to have a similar number as well as a large group from our up and coming boston chapter. >> we'll look for you here in boston next year. thank you so much, sir, for your inspiration. and for more on how you can

help, we appreciate it. for more on how you can help the victims here of the attacks in boston, we have created this place where you can go, cnn.com/impact. again, cnn.com/impact. and, again, as promised we talked to our correspondent deborah feyerick, in the midst of the makeshift memorial. now that the hustle and bustle is back on boylston street nine days after the twin explosions. we'll check in with her and watch and reflect with those who want boston to heal. stay with me. i was cooking dinner for my family. boom. heart attack. the doctor recommends bayer aspirin to keep this from happening to me again. it's working. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. it can happen to anyone. talk to your doctor. governor of getting it done. you know how to dance... with a deadline. and you...rent from national.

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it's been a big day for everyone here in boston because the heart of the back bay boyleston street is back open. deborah feyerick is there. tell me exactly where you are. >> reporter: brooke, we are

standing on the finish line. this is the finish line where everyone was headed. we want to give you a little perspective in terms of how this all played out. right back here you can see how this building behind me is damaged. it just shows you the blast. the first one went off here. the second one went off just a couple minutes later down in that direction. a memorial has been built. people are leaving flowers. this is smaller than the one over at copley square. over at copley you have a lot of people leaving sneakers, baseball hats, baseballs. this is much smaller. you really get the sense even the people that come here this is a little bit of hallowed ground because of the lives lost here. folks coming and putting down flowers and cards and note cards. may i ask you why you decided to put that down? >> i didn't put it down. i was looking where it was from. >> reporter: okay. what is your sense of things that are being left here? >> i think it's great. shows that boston is strong and it'll stay strong.

>> reporter: okay. is it odd for you being here right now? >> yes, it is. it's very emotional and i feel for the victims and that's why i'm here. >> reporter: all right. there is an interesting energy you get from the people here. this group, you actually sang today. tell me your experience singing at the memorial. >> we all came from st. louis and were in st. louis when the bombing happened. we knew we were coming this week and just wanted to dedicate a song to the people of boston for coming up and standing so strong and for the victims of the bombing and so, you know, it was a very emotional experience for all of us because we all, you know, i guess we all just felt for you guys. >> you feel united in what is going on and with the people of boston? >> yes. st. louis, we want you all to know that st. louis feels with you guys and we're here for you

as the whole country. >> that the sense you get. everybody is united to show the victims and the city of boston that everyone is remembered and everyone is in this together. brooke? >> absolutely. deborah feyerick for us there at that explosion site and the finish line of the boston marathon. thank you so much. thanks for being with me here. live special coverage in copley square in boston. when we come back more from that growing memorial just across the street from me boyleston street back open. jake tapper takes over "the lead" next.

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jake tapper is up in just a moment but before i let you go we have a pretty stunning piece from our correspondent drew griffin about how police tricked these brothers and saved lives along the way. >> in a hail of bullets this watertown police suv became the decoy taking fire, a bullet through the windshield, side, and back windows shot out. according to the chief, all part of an instant decision made by one of his sergeants literally in the heat of a battle. >> there is a serious gun fight going on. the second person on the scene, one of my sergeants, he pulled up and immediately gets at least one shot right through his windshield. so he is under fire as soon as he shows up. >> reporter: as the two gunmen open fire as bullets whiz past

police officers, as bombs are flying the sergeant decides to abandon the suv and use it as a weapon. >> you don't plan or train for this. he has the -- how do you even describe it -- the courage and determination to keep fighting and he decides to put the car in gear because his car has taken the fire. they're shooting at him in that car. >> as the police suv was just rolling down the street with nobody in it, the suspects kept firing thinking the officer was inside. >> they think he is still in the car so they're unloading on the car while he is able to take up a position to decide and start, you know, returning fire. the suv eventually towed away is riddled with bullets and the sergeant may have saved his comrades' lives. he is a little concerned about how bad it's beaten up. >> at the end he said to my captain i hop t